projectiles fast enough to match the ballistics of the 7mm Rem Mag. Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. I hate belted cases, and I own a 270 WSM, but I'd recommend the 7mm Remington Magnum anyway, unless there's some reason not to. The .300 WSM has been quite successful and .270 WSM reasonably so, while the 7mm and .325 WSMs never caught on in the marketplace and today they languish on life support. The 7mm WSM and 7mm Remington Magnum are best suited for the exact same hunting situations. In another 20 years the 300 WSM will surpass the 300 Win Mag in sales, maybe sooner. Matrix in .277 caliber has a .65 BC. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif. IMO the 270 wsm offers you nothing in the performance potential department compared to a 7mm mag. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif And they don't have a belt. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round averages out to 3170 ft-lb, while a 7mm-08 Remington round averages out to about 2450 ft-lb. The 270 wsm is a fast flat shooting round that will perform great at long range. Matrix in .277 cal will tip the scales yet again in favor of the 270 WSM. If you run them at short mag lengths, they both suffer greatly. There are less 'smiths who take the time and money to make a jig for the Winchester, but it is a heck of an action. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. Do I sell both and buy a Remington? Bottom line is that the longer the barrel (to a point) the more complete powder burn you get ... so the more energy is imparted on the bullet. So can 7mm RM cases. As such, the following is for comparative information purposes only and should not be used to make precise predictions of the trajectory, performance, or true ballistics of any particular .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum or 7mm-08 Remington rounds for hunting, target shooting, plinking, or any other usage. Yes the 30 cal delivers a little more energy. Lol. The 7mm WSM is similar to the .300 WSM with the case necked down to handle .284" bullets. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, .07 difference in bore and 15 grs. bullet and the 300 WSM with any bullet you choose. However, the distance from the case head to the datum line on the shoulder is longer for the 7WSM, preventing accidental chambering or firing of the .284" 7mm bullet in .270 WSM's .277" bore. I'd look to chamber in 7 wsm, because the .284 has some great characteristics. For two different caliber bullets to have roughly the same external ballistics, they must both have the same BC and be launched at the same velocity. Berger VLD @ 2,900 fps has a velocity of 1.621 fps and 1,225 ft/lbs of energy. Find a ballistic calculator: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/ballistics-programs-web-based-downloadable-9647/. That is the maximum effective range for these combos. Caliber: Bullet Weight: Overall Cartridge Length: Muzzle Velocity: Trajectory at 300 yds(100yds zero) Muzzle Energy(Ft. bullet. To each his own, but the only way a 270wsm keeps up with the 300wsm in the energy dept. By From muzzle to 1000 yards, the 300wsm has more energy. The 165 gr. For moose you may want to look at 150 or even 160 gr. As far as LR capabilities go for a given caliber, the two things I look at are: (1) How much wind deflection is there for this load at 600, 800. Uh ... heck yes. The fact that neither 30 cal bullet will have enough velocity to even open up cannot be overlooked. Ballistics Comparison for 270 The 270 WSM should be able to run the 165 gr. In the WSM .270 fans found a short, powerful, efficient round that could be housed in compact, lightweight short-action rifles and which edged closer to 7mm Rem. Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.1" Width: 0.535" Average FPS: 3134 Average Energy: 3314 Average Gr: 152 Recoil: 2.06 Power Rank: 4.76 of 20 The 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) was designed in 2001 by Winchester Repeating Arms Company and Browning Arms Company. It requires 5.9 MOA correction in a 10 mph wind. I do have reloading capabilities. We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. The 270 wsm and the 300wsm are the same case size just differing bullet size necks (the 300wsm case is also used necking down to 7/300wsm round same as 7/270wsm). Combat Hapkido, Karate, Boxing, Weight Lifting, Shooting, Hunting, Tinkering with Guns, Fishing, Etc. ballistics. The 7mm WSM d… You need to long-throat (single-feed) both the 7 and the 300 WSMs. It will still have plenty of energy for mule deer and is why thousands of hunters use the 270 Win and 270 WSM. As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. I won't comment on that one way or the other. Generally speaking, the higher the muzzle energy, the higher the stopping power. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Loading ... 7mm Rem Mag vs buck/ Roebuck hunting 2017/ Bockjagd 2017 - Duration: 7:15. Down range a 7-08 is right with that 270 wsm. While I would be inclined to keep both, I am leaning towards selling one to fund the others build. Terminal ballistics need to be addressed as well. Again, the above is for comparative information purposes only, and you should consult the exact ballistics for the particular .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum or 7mm-08 Remington cartridge you're looking at purchasing. Or shoot a 10 shot group at an 800 yard target and see what the groups look like. 3. This question came from R. Peterson, and was intended for my new column, but I couldn't resist, so here goes: Is there any reason, Mr. Peterson asks, to choose a standard .270 over a .270 WSM? Bartlain, Krieger, etc) and a new trigger on a tuned up Winchester action. Hunting, fishing, back packing and family. Re: 7mm mag vs 7mm wsm ?? Many target shooters found this to be detrimental to extreme accuracy. October 28, 2013 I personally love Winchesters ... specifically the CRF types that were called Classic and are now the ones produced by FN. If you were limited to factory ammo I would probably say go for the 270 WSM because the 7mm WSM didn't seem to catch on as well as the 270 and 300 WSMs, and I don't think factory ammo is as readily available as it is for the 270 WSM. Glitzy velocities don't mean much, and you have a great choice among 7mm bullets. The closest a 30 cal bullet can come to this BC is the Berger 210 gr. Not necessarilly stay with what he's got. Both the 270 WSM and the 7mm Mag will outperform anything the 300 WSM can spit out. Due to the shoulder safety design, the neck is very short. Bottom line for me: If the OP's rifle in 270 WSM is a shooter, then he need look no further. Having said that, the reason guys shoot 30's is the option to shoot a heavy bullet that bucks the wind and delivers good energy. Plus, the .270 WSM could poach from an already extensive lineup of .277 bullets designed for the .270 Win. Sounded to me like he wants to "build" one of these (or another action) up. Superior ballistics and enough weight and velocity to take anything in the 48 states. 3. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufact I can not say I know anyone who shoots the 175 matrix out of a .277. It's easy! I have both, and reload for them and really like them both, but if I had to choose one, it would be the 300. If you do, they recommend a 1-8 twist barrel which is probably only achievable with a custom barrel. With the whims of the marketplace it may or may not stay readily available. How accurate are your 270 & 300 WSMs? The 300 WSM with the 210 drops below the required minimum velocity at around 700 yds. Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum and 7mm-08 Remington ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. The 7mm Remington mag is well established but not so versatile as the .30-06. It will do just about anything. Like bowfishaz suggested, load your own using the 165 gr. IMHO you can do that if you want an inferior rifle . I'd also go with the 7mm. Prefer to use one rifle or the other without having to go too far into basically building a whole completely different gun. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Winchesters are great guns, don't let anyone tell you different. VLD with a .63 BC. 1. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. More components, more load recipes, and the ability to shoot a big old bullet if you decide you have the need. I just received in trade yesterday a M70 in 300wsm. Is the M70 action worthy of building on? Just not in that order! I want a 270wsm but if I had to pick would go with the 300. Your 300 WSM will hit harder, but it will not buck the wind as well - and beyond 400 - 500 yds. Bottom line...Winchester is a fine action to build on IMHO. By David E. Petzal. The 270 WSM seems popular as there was no significant 270 mag. Perhaps you … 4. However, if the WSMs are loaded properly they will more than do the job but ya gotta put some powder in 'em. 30-06 will also work well if elk is in the mix. Like its siblings, the .270 WSM has gained a steady following for a variety of reasons. In my opinion, one of the drawbacks of all three of the .270s is their twist rate. sell both and get a sendero. While this should not be the deciding factor, simply stepping up to the 175 gr. Not sure where the 7mm is headed, although it is probably the best of the WSM's at least on paper. Matrix at 3,100 fps. The 7mm WSM was tested for a time among target shooters worldwide. In the 270 wsm you are burning a bunch of powder in expensive brass to push a bullet out at high velocity to have the bullet just dump it all quick. Matrix @ 3,100 fps still has a velocity of 1,800 fps and 1,181 ft/lbs of energy. As illustrated in the chart, .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3240 feet per second (fps) while 7mm-08 Remington rounds travel at a velocity of 2830 fps. Both are excellent cartridges. Firearms, Long Range Shooting, and Reloading. Again ... a lot of it is due to more 'smiths focusing on the tubular actions due to the ease of working on them. The only way to get those velocities is to launch it from a 300 RUM. It's defeating to purpose. Retained energy at longer yardage always favors the heavier bullet. Even then you could sell one and have a smith build you a semi custom off the one you keep. I think the accuracy would suffer compared to a 26" barrel. and run both the 270 WSM with the 165 gr. Assuming both rifles are accurate, I would tend to lean towards the 270 WSM. in bullet weight on the heavy side, and in … The 7mm WSM provides a little more energy down range with ballistics very close to the 270 WSM. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. Winchester M70 270wsm VS 300wsm: Conflicted and need insight. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs 7mm-08 Remington ammo rounds. For the 300 WSM with the 210 Berger to equal the external ballistics, it needs to have a minimum muzzle velocity of at least 3,100+ fps. 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